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Jade Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.23 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/01/2011 23:18:28
 Originally by: Myxx
Again... you prove everyone correct, Revan. The sad part, is something you wont be able to prevent and will not see coming until its too late. I was correct many months ago when I estimated that you are infact utterly harmless, and your only method of doing anything is via proxies.
By that logic Nyx class supercarriers are pretty harmless as well since they don't have any form of direct damage beyond limited range smart bombs and those pesky Fighter-bomber proxies. Thats a relief to many in lowsec.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2011.01.24 00:34:00 -
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Well nitpicking about the definition of 20,000 year old words is certainly the level for those eager to demonstrate their puissance and verve in rhetorical jousting. Clearly you should sell all stocks and shares and cancel your business interests, these subtle manipulations and IGS antics have you quite undone my love.
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Posted - 2011.01.24 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 24/01/2011 18:50:27
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Yes, it's much easier to win a debate (who keeps a score?) if you get to re-define words.
You use the words, thus you implicitly agree to abide by their meaning. Failure to do so means an abdication from discourse, since no-one would be able to (or willing to) try navigating the maze of new definitions that are continually spawned to cover up linguistic failures. Language is not nit-picking. It's the medium through which we communicate. If you throw that away, you really do end up irrelevant since no-one can even talk to you.
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Herself, without need to submit to collectivist herd identifiers.[/i]
Interesting to compare the twin sentiments of your argument here Tatsue. While closing with an affirmation of your resistence to collectivist herd identifiers you nethertheless base the majority of your argument on doing just that in the realm of language and inherited definition. And while certainly it can be advantageous to redefine words to "win" a debate, a far more common approach is to selectively fasten oneself to one of several definitions and pretend the option is singular rather than diverse. Here we are debating a word that originated around 20500 years ago (according to our surviving records and comparing one of several definitions common and recognized in diverse periods +/- 200 years of global industrialization on our ancient homeworld.
But as I said, I find it interesting that you maintain there is only one correct definition of a given word and that unless one ascribes sovereignty of meaning to the collective majority (everyone/no-one but) then communication is impossible. It is not a great step to go from here to the monotheist dogma of the Amarrian church that believes there is only one route to salvation and wisdom and anyone with a different interpretation of history and cultural evolution is both wrong and evil.
I think you will agree this is a strange argument from one who closes her intervention with a claimed rejection of collectivist herd identifiers.
Language like government, culture, imperial thought, territorialist aspiration and collectivist delusion can be a tool for oppression and restriction of freedom. Its use is often in the eye of the beholder. We inherit previous usage and anecdotal memories of deployment and meaning but to claim singluar defination when multiple exist is simply hierarchical dogma mingled with crass statist rhetoric and frankly:
You are better than that.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2011.01.24 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Indeed I am, since you spent your entire entry attacking a position I do not hold, did not claim for myself, nor espoused. You are reading way much into things that aren't there.
I suggest in the future you make your argument rather clearer then. I have the distinct impression that in your eagerness to make mileage from nitpicking pettifoggery you very much confused yourself on this occassion. I don't think irony is your forte.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
I'd like to address this to Jade directly. We've known each other for some years, and I'd like to think we know each other's positions fairly well. I know you share a deep connection with Revan, and that this drives you to defend her against those you see as attacking her. I can understand that, and I'm not going to disagree with your desire to do this.
We have known each other for a long time Shintoko its true, but please do not mistake rhetorical flourish for neccessary defense. My lover does as she chooses and always has. She requires no protection in words from those she terms forum-vermin and soforth. I replied to Tatsue simply because the notion of singular collective authority to specific definitions of words stuck me a peculiar position for a self-professed anti-collectivist to take. I found it amusing to debate the point until it reduced (as often it does these days) to mere proceedural nitpicking. C'est la vie.
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However, since Cosmo weighed in during this thread, some things get a little clouded. So I want to ask out in the open: What's the position of Star Fraction on the Nation?
A simple one. Sansha's Nation is a statist nightmare of hierarchical authority delusion that must be destroyed alongside the others if mankind is to know the freedom of genuine independence and future unconstrained diaspora. Kuvakei is the creature of empires past returned to revenge himself on empire's present. Needs must he will die, but never should we forget the reason he rose to prominence was the desire of Amarrian and Caldari hierarchs to collaborate in the creation of "better" and more efficient means of enslaving the common populace.
In short the Fraction consider the Nation an abhorrent and disgusting creation of technological statism gone mad and no true anarchist would withhold the neccessary bullets from this particular tyrant.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Maximullis
Originally by: Verone
What a crock of ****.
agreed. Its tragic.
It is tragic, but not quite in the way you might imagine. The same windy-forum-mouthpieces spitting the same impotent drivel and nobody does anything to impact the object of the presumed animosity beyond posting derivative primal screams while pounding their galnet interface with weeping faces.
Oh the post-humanity!
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